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Marek Dudziak
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Franklin FC (Maroon)
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009
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We all look forward to the playoff season, especially since many teams are not beginning to turn things around after a very slow start. i believe it would be much more acceptable to cut the season 1 week short and begin playoffs early. There has already been discussion on having playoffs on back to back days, sat & sun, or even having a match in the morning and then the afternoon with a big break in between. I hope the league considers this instead of punishing teams who are in the 5-8 spots in many instances only a few points behind those 1-4 teams. Part of what makes this league so enjoyable is being able to compete in the playoff tournament and not just ending with a record at the end of a regular season! The tournament also gives teams who might be relegated next season to turn things around and come out on top. I know I can only speak for myself and my team but everyone who sees this message feels the same way.
Eric Wirth
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009
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Marek,

I appreciate your sentiments. Without getting into all the logistics and pros/cons of each possible scenario, I will simply say that we have never had three, let alone four rainouts in a single season and we only have a finite number of days to play. As such, we unfortunately have to make sacrifices. As a member of a team currently in the group that will likely lose their playoff spot, I fully empathize but there is only so much that realistically can be done and no decision will please everyone. This fall has seen records amounts of rain so this isn't a common situation but one that must be dealt with nonetheless. Thanks.

Eric
Sean McGorry
Philadelphia Athletic (Black)
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009
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I agree with the 1st post. We should just eliminate the game we just missed and continue on. Most teams look forward to the playoffs and the excitement it brings. It gives teams in those positions in the 6,7 or 8 slot to have chance to win promotion.
Dan Galasso
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009
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How does it make more sense to eliminate up to 6 teams from playoffs rather then to just SKIP last weeks games?? I PAID expecting play a certain amount of games and at least 1 playoff game. Cutting playoffs out for this many teams is rediculous. I would feel this way if I were in or out of them! I can see cutting one or two, but not playoffs! I think a REAL explanation of cutting playoffs short other than rain is necessary. Cutting out one game vs cutting out a bunch of teams from the playoffs makes NO sense. Also, explain to me WHY a contingency plan is not ready each season in case of this issue. When rain started rolling in last week we could have been told if it rains we play sunday, or if it rains it is our responsibility to make up the game or its a tie... something... even teams that woulda had to forfeit over it would be more than happy to in order to have playoffs.
Eric Wirth
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Last Updated: Mon Nov 16, 2009
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As it's clear that some people would like a bit more elaboration, here goes:

Playing on Sundays can indeed sometimes be an option on occasion for certain games but rarely for an entire set of 20 games. Why we aren't doing that right now is because 1.) We don't have the permits from Pennpack to do so and they can often take months, not days to get. 2.) Just as we've had to cancel an inordinate number of games, so too has virtually every other soccer league. As such, those leagues that have their own fields (e.g. Philly Soccer Club) are making up other games on Sundays. 3.) Not all of our teams are available to play on Sundays.

As for why we aren't just dropping the last regular season games and staying with the original playoff format? We could have, but keep in mind that the 9th and 10th place teams in each division are relegated unless they win the entire tournament. If a team finished 8th in the regular season and hasn't played as competitive a schedule as the team that finished 9th, that's not fair. There's more to it but that should give you the gist. Like I said before, there is no perfect solution.

As far as expenses go, this is one of the reasons why we switched to teams paying the refs directly. The $450 each team pays at the beginning of the season covers our fixed costs regardless of how many games are actually played. The rest is $60 a game and only paid when you play. The league is not makingany money by not playing games.

Regarding contingency plans, in the many seasons we've played, we've never had four rainouts. If teams want, we can pay for multiple fields on multiple days just in case but that will cost quite a bit more and isn't very practical.

There are other issues as well but I hope that helps with understanding the situation. I'm sure there will be some of you who are upset regardless but please know that we've tried our best to deal with what is a challenging set of circumstances. If you care to help us in our efforts to continue to improve you are highly encouraged to submit your application for the next board election in early 2010: http://casasoccer.teamopolis.com/league/page.aspx?PageID=2342

Marek Dudziak
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Franklin FC (Maroon)
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009
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You mention additional costs. What is an additional cost for fields you mention if additional games were to be held?

Also, What is the playoff plan? Is there a deadline that all of the games need to be played by? Is the deadline weather induced?, assuming it will be too cold to play the 2nd and 3rd week of Dec? If the 2 teams agree to play, would it not be fair to let them?

I also understand some teams can't play on sunday but others can, can't we potentially work around the schedule and allow teams that can to play on Sunday leaving those who can't to play on Saturday. This way you can double up some of the games each weekend.

Looking forward to hearing from you. I appreciate your time.
Eric Wirth
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009
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There are many different variables and I've done my best to explain them succinctly. Going into every aspect would take quite a while to type, so if you would like more information please e-mail me (pr ... @phillysoccer.org) with your phone number and I'll give you a call to discuss, or simply seek me out at the fields (I play for FC Zot). Thanks.
Mark Dennison
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Stingers SC
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009
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I'm not happy about the way things turned out...but I'm not blaming the league for this. We've had 1 Saturday in the last 2 months without rain and it has played hell with the youth league I coach in too. Alot of the teams have been scrambling to get in make up games before the end of the reg season. It has sucked big time.

Not on the board anymore but we have a deadline for our permits. That is why our games must be finished by the second weekend in December. Playing on them after that, or when the fields are too wet could result in our league losing future permits. BTW, I thought the league took a chance a few weeks back by letting the games continue. If they had canceled those we would be in worse shape then we are now.

As for leaving it up to the teams to make up their games? Good luck finding fields and getting refs with the time left. While we might be able to get a team together for a Sunday I wouldn't bet money on it. And playing during the week would probably be even less succesful. And I'm not willing to forfeit (and lose our deposit) just to have a playoff game.

Really guys, this situation sucks but there aint a damn thing you can do about the weather.
Philip Dadzie
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United FC (Yellow/Black)
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Last Updated: Tue Nov 17, 2009
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This is simply not acceptable in any shape or form, make-up games should have been scheduled to take care of the rained out games,the league knew days ahead those saturdays that games couldnt be played, contingency is the word in play here, what happnd to that?. If Casa still does not have any definite solution to this and teams go without playing some games, then they must refund each and every team's part of their paid league dues. Captains we must take this up strongly and insist the right thing be done, the league needs to sit up.

Now the issue of teams rescheduling for make up games, getting refs to come out on sundays or any other day and finding fields to play on raised by one member, l would say u havent done any research or you simply do not play soccer around NORTHEAST. There are alot of open and available fields in NORTHEAST teams could use to play their make up games. Refs are motivated to come out to make their money, i did reschedule one of my rained out games on my own , the field was good and the alacrity with which the refs came out to ref the game was simply delightful, so what are you saying Mr Former Casa board member?
Should you need a field to play on, contact me i will point you to one.


If Casa had asked team captains to rescheduled their rained out games to make up for the lost games, l bet you nearly all rained out games would have been made up for and we wouldnt be discussing this right now. Most of us play regularly and know fields that could be used for such games without any monetary encumbrances. With our little networking we would have handled this issue ourselves as captains. I for one took care of my rained out game. And i know many captains didnt even know they could reschedule a rained-out game themselves and ask for refs to come and these refs would come out too. Mark Garia is the head ref and once you contact him, he will get you refs who are available that day.

Yes alot needs to be done, Casa needs to sit up and run this league as a soccer league and use the rules of soccer to run this league, the right people needs to be in pole position to make this league a legit one. We as members owe it unto ourselves to be a part of the solution and help make this league a better one.

Now back to the playoffs wahala......what is Eric and thems doing again... did i see only 4 teams in the playoffs?
Eric Wirth
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Last Updated: Tue Nov 17, 2009
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I've locked this thread as it has shifted towards getting personal between people and it has already been discussed at length. If team administrators wish to (civilly) share resources and ideas amongst themselves they are welcome to do so in the captains' corner. Thanks.

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